After debating on numerous occasions with this group of people who most often identify themselves as "C-rockers" I started seeing a dangerous trend in their defense. My purpose in putting this web page article together is to assist Christians that are serious in defending their churches against this wile of our adversary. Nothing in my walk with my Lord for some 18+ years now has been more divisive an issue than music, in particular so called "Christian" Rock and CCM music. -- That is why I believe an article such as this one is so badly needed.
-- Consider next two messages together:
"I really do not understand how you can say that rock that glorifies Christ is bad. I like to mosh. I like to headbang. And I like to worship Christ. We have different ways of worshipping. I can worship and have fun at the same time."
"As far as the crowd surfing and "jumping around," as you call it, goes, they are no indication of someone's spiritual state. We are free to celebrate God in ANY form of music or dance, provided that people do not get abused or hurt."
--You won't find this in scriptures! Funny how so many c-rockers apply their behavior and music to the Bible but the Bible offers them condemnation not accommodation for their behavior! This line of thinking is common throughout these quotes. Here are just a couple of verses that condemn this sort of outrageous behavior:
1 Corinthians 7:1 "Now concerning the things
whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman."
(In answer to the ridiculous notion that this verse only applies to the act of sex in a sinful manner the Bible disagrees with you, it includes the practices of the heathen you cannot separate this practice of heathens in rock concerts and "Christianize" it.)
Romans 12:2 "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."
"About the body surfing; you have taken the verse about a man not touching a woman
far out of context; the verse speaks of sexual touching; casual touching, as far as I
know, is not sinful. (If I am wrong, then should a man and woman not shake hands?)"
--Bodysurfing is certainly NO handshake! You need to examine 1 Co. 7:1 more closely!
"What is biblically wrong with earrings, colored hair, and loud music? Please
explain to me because I do not understand where you are coming up with your information. I
am 18 years old and have had more colors of hair than God put in the rainbow. I have also
had several ear piercings and a belly button piercing. I don't believe these things did
anything to hindrance my relationship with God and in fact had a positive impact on my
witnessing to others."
-- How then are you different from the world? I do not believe you are making a lasting difference conforming to the world, and your outward appearance is an affront to what scriptures teach no matter how you justify it.
"I'm just saying watch what you say. Because not all of us are OK with the kind of
music I can imagine you listen to which scares me!"
--Hmmm, "psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;" pretty scary stuff! Here's a link to help find some of that "scary stuff" the Bible talks of:
"HELPFUL MUSIC RESOURCES" http://wayoflife.org/~dcloud/fbns/helpful.htm
"I would just like to state that there are MANY Christian rock groups that have
nothing but edifying lyrics and there are many common hymns (Such as 'How Marvelous')
which contain lyrics which defeat the entire purpose of the gospel (Plus Christian Rock
Lyrics don't require a master's degree in English to understand)."
--This person is as bad as another who tears apart "Amazing Grace!" Christian rock lyrics are quite so abstract or vague that they can be interpreted a number of ways as demonstrated on our site.
"DC Talk does incorporate into their concerts many elements also found in secular
music. However, these elements themselves are not necessarily contrary to the teachings of
-- Point made for me by a c-rocker!
--These next three separate messages consider
"The merchandise there was relative to all Christian products. All Christian items are more expensive than secular items. Even the Holy Bible. The reason they are promoting themselves is that they are using it as a witnessing tool. Christian teens can buy shirts and what not show them to their non Christian friends and share to them the message of the group, which is the message that Jesus has told us to share with the world."
"One thing that I would like to challenge is the notion that c-rock is about money. Let me tell you that Christian music is not where the money is, and to suggest that is simply not accurate. Are their cases of ministries coveting money unjustly? Of course there are, and I don't think that it has a stronghold on just the CCM industry."
"It is sad that you think it is all about money. I cannot believe the innuendoes
made in the article about how Christian rock bands are in it mostly for the money. Once
again - a judgment - and a false one at that."
--I'll let the one billion false dollars made by the CCM and C-rock industry answer those remarks on money! Plus I refer you to the reviews of what their message was and what they are selling!
"There are some excellent Christian "rock" bands out there who play very
theologically correct music, i.e. Tourniquet's song "Sola Christus""
-- This band defended here called "Tourniquet" really does some pretty nasty stuff! LOOK:
"Tourniquet recently toured with anti-Christ band Atheist! Tourniquet is scheduled to play the Milwaukee Metal Festival. They'll share the stage with such ungodly groups as Deicide and Morbid Angel, Deicide (whose name means the death of God) are hard-core Satanists. Deicide has an album titled "Once Upon the Cross", the cover shows a cloth covering the crucified Lord Jesus Christ with blood from each wound. On the inside of the album they have taken the Lord Jesus Christ and cut Him open and are in the process of removing His insides! And Tourniquet is going to share the stage with such an ungodly, wicked Christ-hating bunch! And Tourniquet has the audacity to claim to be a follower of Jesus Christ! And don't tell me about being a witness, or a light in a dark place the Bible is clear! Ephesians 5:11 says, "And have NO FELLOWSHIP with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather REPROVE THEM." SOURCE: CHRISTIAN ROCK: Blessing or Blasphemy? <http://www.av1611.org/crock.html
"For over six years I have wondered if a band would ever again be as big as
Stryper was. It now seems that that time has come, with the arrival of DC Talk."
-- Again the bands defended here "Stryper" and "DC Talk" are just as bad! LOOK:
"Stryper is not exactly "good little Christian boys." In 1989 Stryper toured with secular rockers White Lion. Drummer, Greg D Angelo, says, "We threw a party . . . About two in the morning ROBERT SWEET WAS WHACKED! DRUNK! He was being dragged around on his tiptoes by two women holding him up!" (RIP, June, 1989, p.41) Stryper also toured with the perverted secular group WASP (whose name stands for We Are Sex Perverts). WASP singer Blackie Lawless drinks blood on stage from a human skull. WASP spreads their satanic message, as they tell young people the vicious lie that Lucifer loves them much they're drunk on his love and magic, in "Sleeping in the Fire":" SOURCE: CHRISTIAN ROCK: Blessing or Blasphemy? <http://www.av1611.org/crock.html
DC Talk (since these guys are very popular I am going to share a bit more about them) goto:
And for more than you might want to know goto: " Blessing or Blasphemy?" <http://www.av1611.org/crock.html
A couple of samples: "The concert mosh pit is full and frantic, with enough pogoing an body-surfing to frighten even the hippest of parents. The three DC Talk members all take turns at stage diving and body-surfing; security must extract each from the crowd. Mr. McKeehan makes the most daring effort-a jump from a 12-foot high stack of stage speakers into the mosh pit."
""Jesus Freak" was directed by an Englishman named Simon Maxwell. And who is Simon Maxwell? Simon Maxwell is video director for the satanic and blasphemous Nine Inch Nails! DC Talk openly admits to watching one of Nine Inch Nails videos, and liked Maxwell's style. "We had seen some of Simon's work with Nine Inch Nails", says DC Talk vocalist Toby McKeehan. "HIS STYLE APPEALED TO US.""
"It's an odd paring, but Christian act DC Talk has
teamed up with Simon Maxwell, known for his direction on Nine Inch Nails'
"Hurt," for one of the most progressive religious music clips ever
Please look at the links above, there is PLENTY of proof! Onto the next quote:
"Excuse for Christians to Rock?" and I am appalled at your criticism of what
I believe to be a very GOOD thing. As a music lover, I own over 150 CD's--ranging from
classical to heavy metal. Very few of them are of Christian music. But of all the music I
own I consider "Jesus Freak" by D.C. Talk one of the BEST albums I have. And
that is not based solely on musical quality, but rather, because of the deep spiritual
message the album proclaims."
-- If groups like "Tourniquet," "Stryper and "DC Talk" are examples of good c-rock, I would dread to see bad! Sadly, yes there is even worse in the name of Christianity!
-- Consider next two messages together
"You said that this kind of music was not Christian music because it was loud. Hello? Even if it is loud, it's a praise to Jesus."
"I would like to bring up about your article. First, the loudness. Frankly
put, some people like loud music, some like soft. Some people like living in loud cities,
others in the quiet country. Whatever The police is there for everybody's
protection, not that a fight may break out, but that accidents do happen. Police are also
at anti-abortion rallies, but does that mean that they are wrong?"
-- Another common form of attack of c-rockers, accuse me of things I never said. I will say there is a very serious problem if ANY music is literally deafening, remembering the body should be treated as a temple for the Holy Spirit. To listen to music that loud is to abuse your body! As to the "Hello?" I hear fine, but I can't say the same for avid c-rockers!
"1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?"
-- Consider next three messages together:
"Do you go just to find fault? The whole exercise seems like a waste of time and effort. If C-rock is not your scene, then go to a traditional hymn recital."
"If I am to accept your arguments ( and who am I to dispute them? ), then Christianity is about conforming to conservative traditionalism, where cool music, dancing, modern dress, freedom of expression, and the freedom to challenge and explore new ideas are all frowned upon. It is a place where freedom to be oneself is not welcomed."
"I am writing in response to your article on Christian rock music. You seem to
expect every Christian song to resemble those found in the hymnals at church. I am a
college student, and if it were not for Christian rap and rock I would not listen to
Christian music. You said that the score should not overshadow the lyrics, but I do not
-- Interesting stereotype used often to detract from the issue of c-rock, also untrue.
"You know what? I have been reading through some of your propaganda. And I think
you may have actually missed some "unscriptural" doctrines out there. Like using
toilet paper and driving a car."
-- "Propaganda?" Sharing what the Bible teaches? Oh well if its "propaganda" I didn't write it in the Bible, God did!!!
"I just read your review of the Newsboys/Third Day concert and must say I am not
surprised to find much of the same judgmental attitude of the DC Talk review."
--- Another very common ploy used by c-rockers, shoot the messenger, and offer no proof of their accusations!
"As a youth leader and deacon in my church I have to say that I not only enjoy the
music of both of these groups [DC Talk & Newsboys] but I
heartily endorse them and use their material in teaching my Sunday School class on
---As a Sunday school teacher and youth leader myself I have one thing to say to this remark, AHHH! This person is in church leadership! Now that I find pretty scary!!!
"I have only one question; if DC Talk and other Christian bands are so bad then
how can a man like Billy Graham associate himself and the ministry that he has been
blessed with the likes of DC Talk and still call himself a credible preacher."
---Is Graham a Biblically sound preacher? Sorry to say no he is not.
Go to this link to learn more: http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/exposes/graham/
"I find your web page utterly repulsive. You are the prime example of a modern day
--- And yet another accusation often used with NO PROOF, its easy for c-rockers to call names just don't expect any substantive proof to back it up. I often remind c-rockers who the Pharisees were, the religious leaders of Jesus' day well known for adding and taking away from scriptures to THEIR ADVANTAGE, like those exposed on our web site!
"I am sorry to hear you condemn so many moves of God. Be careful not to judge
God's anointed. You may be hindering the work of the Holy Spirit."
--- And yes, another accusation. But if one reads what is shared, the truth is God has already judged the behavior exposed on our site, so it cannot be from God to begin with!
"For one thing, I am not a fan of the Newsboys--as a matter of fact, I
prefer a harder style of music. I do, however, have their "Take Me to your
Leader" CD and I appreciate the stand they take for Jesus Christ. That is why I feel
I should defend them--they are my brothers in Christ and do not deserve to have their
ministry shot down by a holier-than-thou highbrow like yourself. [Emphasis in italics/underline mine]
---What stand did the Newsboys take? I refer you to our review on them to see for yourself But it doesn't stop there! Here's more from this same person:
"I am distorting NOTHING that the Bible says; you, however, seem to have
a knack for taking things out of context and reproducing them as absolute truth.
Everything I do, I do to the glory of God....whether I am worshipping in a church service,
reading the Bible, or picking up my bass guitar and singing in my rock band. Rock
music is nothing more than the popular music of today, just as hymns were the popular
music of the day when they were written. You are not the one to tell me what type of music
glorifies God and what does not--I believe that He would know that better than you, and I
feel that I am glorifying Him in what I do, as are the Newsboys and many other Christian
bands. And if rebellion against parents and God is a side effect of "evil"
Christian rock music, it must have passed me by." (Italics
-- This describes the majority of c-rockers better then any of the others above. It clearly demonstrates their defense, their rationale is nothing more than excuses!!! Everything we have exposed gets twisted and turned into a defense for c-rock, no matter how many scriptures, no matter that we witnessed some of the insane behavior for ourselves. Frankly, it is like dealing with cult members and homosexuals who twist scriptures to defend their doctrines and behaviors that the Bible condemns. These are indeed days described in scriptures: 2 Ti 4!
"I think it commendable that you are taking the
effort to express your beliefs. But, I have a hard time with this method. I believe you
are trying to do what is right in your eyes but you seem to have forgotten "What
Would Jesus DO?""
--- Indeed! What would Jesus Do? I'll let scriptures answer as He probably would: Perhaps Jesus would quote these scriptures with many others like them!
Body-surfing, head-banging and moshing? Violates:
1 Corinthians 7:1 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. (Discussed above).
Matthew 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
2 Corinthians 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
The key: "Beware of the leaven!" Tossing out c-rock is tossing out the leavened bread and does not fit that popular cliche' of "throw the baby out with the bath water" which is often used by c-rockers in order to excuse their outrageous behavior and rebellious music.
Where do we stop making excuses for C-Rock and CCM!? It is obvious from the quotes above that the c-rockers are NOT in agreement on the intensity of their music and behavior --- where do you draw the line? They simply refer it to a matter of taste in spite of overwhelming evidence that what they are doing is Biblically wrong. They turn and accuse me of judging their music and they accuse me of "only singing hymns" when they do not know me and know the great love of Godly music I have. C-rockers attempt to confuse the issue and attack my person!.
For the point of argument , say I swallow their "pill" of c-rock is OK, where does the music I listen to stop being Christian music and start being unchristian? How much of the behavior documented on our site and others linked to it has to occur at the c-rock concerts before its wrong and sinful? How many more "new" Christian things copying the world's secular ungodly, antichristian music can be employed before it violates the Bible about conforming to this world? These are frank and honest questions that c-rockers offer NO consistent or substantive answer to, because Biblically they have nothing to stand on! C-rockers have crossed lines set in scripture by God, not by me. Its anyone's guess how far c-rock can go! I've seen enough out here on the Internet to KNOW what I am saying here is completely true, the varying degree of these c-rockers and rockers alike prove it for me.
No Biblical discernment is used or desired by c-rockers as the quotes above demonstrate. There is no defense to the behavior at these concerts because they do conform to the world. They do not rightly divide scriptures, they "proof text" scripture (approach scriptures with a preconceived thought of defending a behavior and making it fit). Anytime any of us sin intentionally we often try and justify it in such a manner, but then the Holy Spirit lets us know we are being disobedient and if we are God's children we repent. C-rockers don't repent, but in fact laud their behavior as wholesome and Christian! This is why I refer to other debates I have had in the past with cult members and homosexuals; they too use the same methodology and logic to defend their behaviors and teachings! As the quotes above demonstrate over and over they have no proof, no scripture to defend their outrageous behavior! Just for a second, try and imagine a concert like one of those described, say a "Tourniquet" concert was held some 100 years ago, would it be tolerated by God fearing Christians? No!! So why do we tolerate these workers of Satan now? Why do we allow our teens to listen to music that turns their hearts away from God and to the world ---even despising godly hymns! Pastors and/or parents, we must stop the move of this music into our churches and it must start in the homes.
Here is an example of the damage c-rock and CCM causes:
"And I don't want to have to be that way to my friends that listen to that music because they won't want to be my friends anymore if I am mean to them. are they going to hell for that music? I think they are good Christian people. I'm really confused, can you help?"
Confused? Consider the author of the confusion, CCM and C-rock are "new" in the church and NOT supported Biblically. Confusion comes from our adversary Satan.
1 Corinthians 14:33 "For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints."
This e-mail quoted is another typical one we get, the confusion caused by C-rock and CCM sends some of our kids into a tailspin. Who will this one follow? His friends or Godly instruction? Parents, wake up!!! C-rock and CCM is in MOST of our churches and along with it the a ton of other baggage!!! This is not an alarmist cry! I have provided only a little of the proof revealing the true spirit of C-rock and CCM. C-rock and CCM are completely tied to the other so called "movements" of God invading the church such as the Charismatic Movement, Laughter Movement (Much of C-rock and CCM got their starts with the Vineyard), Ecumenical Movement link here: http://wayoflife.org/~dcloud/fbns/contemporarychristian.htm, and numerous false teachers!
I hope this article has helped you learn what not to give your children. Don't pollute them with the world's ways:
"Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world."
3. The Kind of Faith Christians are called to exhibit:
The concerts such as DC Talk and etc., totally violate that our faith is to be a sober faith: (Being sober means not only not drinking or drugs!)
1 Thessalonians 5:6 "Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober."
1 Thessalonians 5:8 "But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation."
Titus 1:8 "But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;"
Titus 2:2 "That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience."
Titus 2:6 "Young men likewise exhort to be sober minded."
1 Peter 1:13 "Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;"
1 Peter 4:7 "But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer."
1 Peter 5:8 "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:"
Only two of the references are in regards to getting drunk with wine. A further study of what the Bible is saying shows sober to mean:
"to be of sound mind, to be in one's right mind, to exercise self control, to put a moderate estimate upon one's self, to curb one's passions, be in right mind, to be calm and collected in spirit, to be temperate, dispassionate, circumspect, of a sound mind, sane, in one's senses, curbing one's desires and impulses, self-controlled, temperate."
I think that more than makes the point. The C-rock/CCM crowd often encourages and participates in outrageous and even insane behavior completely violating this principle in the name of "fun" again as shown in the articles exposing the C-rock/CCM crowd. Please look at the other links exposing so called "Christian Rock & CCM" from our site.
January 1, 1999 by John Beardsley (Minor revisions and corrections on 12/7/2008)
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